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Only a Domestic?

by lyndlj @ 2007-04-17 - 09:25:57

We have all seen the news, we have all read the lord knows how many blogs about it, and we are probably all fed up of reading/seeing/hearing about it.

The shootings in America, another episode in the wrangle of the gun laws, another mass killing spree, another gunman in the history books. Eight years after the worst high school massacre in columbine where 15 students died. This one surpasses that with a toll of at least thirty (dependant upon which news you read/watch) the question is not why did he do this, I am sure they will have a dozen psychologists/Psychiatrists picking apart his home life and his relationships and telling you how he came to do what he did.

The question is how, how did he manage to gun down two people and then two hours later massacre another 30? Why was the campus not closed? Why was he not being sought? Why were there not already police there?

The excuse it appeared to be a domestic, does not hold water folks. Have you learned nothing over these past eight to ten years? You have a volatile situation where an obviously dangerous, disturbed perpetrator has a gun or two, on a student campus, and you dont close it down?

It appears to be a domestic, what you knew that for certain? Have you become so innured to this kind of thing that 'it appears to be a domestic' is treated in the same way as oh I seem to have cut my finger?

Has the fact that others have killed their families and then go on to murder in a mass frenzie as the two teenagers did eight yers ago in Columbine, not entered the equation at all? Did you learn nothing from that?

The problem is will the questions be answered? The survivors of this weeks murders are asking them, but are the authorities asking them?

In my opinion this killing spree could have been prevented, less people would have died, less parents would now be mourning, if the authorities had looked to the lessons of the past instead of shrugging it off as 'Only a domestic'

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AbileneAbilene pro
2007-04-17 @ 09:44

Hey hun. How are ya? Not to pick apart. Charles Whitman was the one that shot from the bell tower in Texas back in the 60's (think it was the 60's). The Columbine, Colorado shotting was by two teens at the school.

There is obviously a huge breakdown in what happened yesterday. This school (Virginia Tech) is a population of 26,000 students, they have had three major disruptions so far this school year ( an escaped convict and two bomb scares ) and now this. When the first shooting happened they thought it was domestic as in murder/suicide and yes, tragic as that is they did not want to evacuate the campus yet again for what seemed (quite wrongly now admittedly) like an isolated incident. Of those 26,000 students aprox 14,000 were in transit due to the time so it would have been hard to communicate effectively to all. 26,000 ... hell thats a small city.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that given the information the security were giving the faculty they made what they deemed the best decision. Yes, wrong in hindsight but it is very easy to sit back after and say what they 'should have' done.

What I think people should focus on today before all the anger takes over and turns this into a zillion lawsuits ... focus oin the families, the injured and the tramatized. Say a little prayer to what or whoever it is that you believe in.

lyndljlyndlj pro
2007-04-17 @ 09:56

You pick all you like, I thought it didnt ring right when I read it, seems even reporters can get it wrong ;)

The absence of any weapons had already alerted them to the fact that a third person was involved in the incident, which is the only reason that I have picked on it, though picked on it is wrong, picked up on it, is more accurate.

The first killings were just after seven, they could have closed the building.

I know it is easy to say all this with hindsight, but they knew there was someone out there with a gun, would one more false alarm not have been better than what did happen?

It is the families and the traumatised that are asking the same question Abi.

But you are right, today too many mothers and fathers weep, yet again.

Though I did try to remain focused on the original question.

AbileneAbilene pro
2007-04-17 @ 10:17

Hi again.

I think the reason I kinda wanted to avoid finger pointing yet is that when its this soon after (and 5,000 miles away) there are bound to be incorrect, misinformed and rumors flying through the airwaves along with the correct stuff and it all gets mixed up I think.

They did close down West A.J. (the residence hall). They just didnt close down and evacuate the whole campus.

Please dont misunderstand me .. I am not saying that things were run smoothly ... there was obviously a breakdown in communication. I just think that everyone should try (and I know it is hard) to take a deep breath before pointing at the obvious targets (the dean and the president ... cos you know he's gonna get the blame too ;))

lyndljlyndlj pro
2007-04-17 @ 11:21

The whole reason I didnt post anything yesterday, and to be honest it was campus security that I was looking at.

Thye did know there was at least a third person because if it had been murder suicide there would have been a weapon. They had no way of knowing if that person was dead or alive, it just seems the logical thing to have taken steps to ensure the safety of others.

No one could have stopped the original incident, these things have a way of escalating and going un noticed, and agin people can say, with hindsight, oh yeah he was acting a bit strange. But all of it is going to be hindsight, as it has happened and now the finger will start pointing as you say, someone somewhere made a decision, and that person has to live with the consequences of that.

I feel sorry for that person to be honest, because that is the person who will ultimtely carry the can for this.

AbileneAbilene pro
2007-04-17 @ 11:32

Lynd .,.. you do realise I am in aggreeance with you don't you? My only thing that I was saying is I know it is human nature to need to have someone to blame I was just hoping it wouldn't start before all the facts were out and on the table.

I agree with everything you are saying as to what should have happened.

I think the most frustrating part is that it is already bad enough at most schools due to this kind of mindless violence and it is only going to get more restrictive for the kids. I do think safety of the kids is first and foremost though so if it takes annoying the kids to keep em alive then so be it.

For example my son has to walk though numerous metal detectors every day and has to carry a see through back pack and has to have any kind of costume approved in his drama class in case it has a potential weapon. Sheesh ... nothing like feeling safe at school eh?

lyndljlyndlj pro
2007-04-17 @ 11:36

Yes hun I know, trouble is I like debating with you :oops:

You know I am so glad my kids are grown up.

I agree with both of you - about lessons not yet learnt, and about the tendency to finger point and blame what happened on someone who wasn't out there trying to shoot as many people as they could.

But I do just have to vent the tiniest bit of disgust at the idiot on the news last night who pointed out that if any of the students had been carrying guns, as is their right, and as he does every day, they would have been able to defend/ save themselves.

Correct? Well, sure. But do we really want to strive for that? Live in a world where you pack your children off to school with a lunchtime sandwich and a pistol? What an idyll.

AbileneAbilene pro
2007-04-17 @ 11:50

Ahhhh, that is very much like what happened after the Lubys shooting in Texas in 1991.

A man drove his truck through the front window of a restaurant and started shooting. He shot 22 (maybe 23 I cant remember) people. One woman who was in there with her parents had a gun in her truck but at that time Texas did not have civilian concealed permits so she was not allowed to carry it in with her. Well, he shot both her parents while she could do nothing but look on. The law has since been changed. For right or wrong ... it can be argued on both sides forever.

I firmly support the right to protect myself and my family. However I do not agree with the complete saturation of weapons allowed in a country.

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