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by lyndlj @ 2007-04-20 - 21:51:27

Is this the new parenting rules? I was actually amazed these people didnt get sentenced?

Toddler fight family spared jail

Carole Olver told police she was 'toughening up' the children
A mother who goaded her two toddlers to fight each other on video camera has received a 12-month suspended sentence, along with her mother and two sisters.
Zara Olver, 21, her 48-year-old mother Carole, and sisters Serenza Olver, 29, and Danielle Olver, 19, all admitted child cruelty at Plymouth Crown Court.

In the footage, a boy in a nappy was called a "wimp" for not hitting his sister back after she struck him.

The women are heard laughing as the children are urged to fight.

The footage was found by chance by the toddlers' father who was on Army leave.

Anyone watching this footage... would have been sickened and saddened

Det Sgt Barry Walters

The boy, aged two, is seen crying after being punched in the face by his three-year-old sister and is told by one of the four women in the room "not to be a wimp or a faggot" and to hit the girl back.

The court heard that, when interviewed by police, Carole Olver said: "I didn't see any harm in toughening them up - I done the same with my own children."

Zara Olver pleaded guilty to causing or procuring the children to be ill treated in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury.

The women were told they posed no risk to society
Her mother and sisters pleaded guilty to jointly inciting the ill treatment of children.

Judge Francis Gilbert gave all four women, from North Prospect in Plymouth, a one-year suspended sentence, saying they posed no risk to the public.

He also ordered the four to do 100 hours of unpaid work and banned them from working with children.

The children, who cannot be named for legal reasons, are in the care of the parents of their father.

The case came to court after the father returned from a posting in Iraq and found the images on a video camera.

He reported the matter to social services in Plymouth who alerted the police's child protection unit.

Prosecutor David Gittins told the court that the father described the footage to police as being "like a dog fight".

"He was reduced to tears," Mr Gittins said.

"What he saw was not two children playing, but an eight-minute film of them being forced to fight."

Speaking after the case, investigating officer Det Sgt Barry Walters said: "Anyone watching this footage showing grown adults encouraging very young children committing unnatural acts would have been sickened and saddened.

"We have been in touch with child protection teams across the country and to my knowledge this is the first time that something like this has ever gone to court."

Michelle Elliott, director of children's charity Kidscape, said: "Quite frankly if there was an offence that deserved even 12 months in prison this was it.

"What they've done is send a message that this isn't a very serious thing and they've walked free. I think most people are outraged by that."

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Carol Oliver said she was toughening up the children

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Women said to 'not pose a threat to society'

So you bring your children up to use their fists and anything they can get hold of to win an argument, you let them think that this is the right way to behave and thats not a threat to society??

Someone somewhere wants parenting lessons! ?

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alicekatealicekate [Member]
2007-04-20 @ 22:12

OMG...despair!!! What is going on in this country?

This reminds me of a customer (a mother) I had at work who we found asking her four yr old daughter to leave our premises and to walk into our busy car park, while she videoed her,her purpose? to try and prove to Health & Safety that our premises weren't safe! The poor little girl was so confused as a member of staff was trying to prevent her(without using any physical contact) and the mother continued to encourage her. In the end we had to stand at the door until the mother gave up...!! Was she hoping that her dtr would be run over in order to prove her point? Nightmare...

KizlodeKizlode [Member]
2007-04-20 @ 23:31

I really couldn't believe this when I heard it. They said on the news that the reason the judge had given them such a light sentence was because they had all had rough childhoods themselves, but one of them was the mother of one of the others so if the daughter had a rough childhood and that caused her to behave like this then her mother, who was also involved must be to blame for that. So why did she get off?

I have seriously come to the point where I do not understand the justice system in this country and I think it needs a serious shake up before it's too late.

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2007-05-02 @ 13:41

I haven't seen the video footage but this sounds shocking, you'd get sent to jail for organising a dog fight but apparently not a toddler fight.

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