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Should Child murderers be tried as Adults?

by lyndlj @ 2007-08-29 - 22:13:10

When Jamie Bulger was murdered by two young boys the country was aghast as much at the fact that two little boys had kidnapped and murdered a child as much as the actual crime.

Those boys are now living in another country with new names and a new life.

History has taught us that children can and do commit horrific crimes, and not just the juvenile and petty things we associate with our young ones.

That is until now, the Bulger case opened a debate on whether young children could be tried in a manner that befit the crime. We have seen over the past few years people that we call children commiting what we class as Adult crimes, namely rape and murder.

The time when children would run if you mentioned telling their parents or if they saw a police iniform has long gone, nowadays they stand and swear at you, throw things at you physically attack you.

We have passed laws that have virtually made these children untouchable, they are not scared what have they to fear? they are minors, they can go out and knife the kid down the road because he said something they didnt like and know that they will probably do community service for it.

Children know they can do wrong and get away with it, and if they know this then surely they know the difference between right and wrong?

In which case they know what they are doing when they take that knife or that gun and use it to take anothers life.

If a child knowingly commits an adult crime, should that child be tried as an adult?

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Devilish_Jelly_BeanzDevilish_Jelly_Beanz pro
2007-08-29 @ 22:22

Yes, they should be tried as adults. They may be kids but a murder is still a murder when all's said and done. They should be punished as an adult would be.

lyndljlyndlj pro
2007-08-29 @ 22:53

I both agree and disagree, at what age do we say they are old enough to knowingly commit a crime?

Terrible as their crimes are, I don't think you can try them as adults because they aren't adults yet...something is very wrong with their thinking - that is if they think at all before they act - and that's the problem...are they mature enough to think about what they're going to do and consider the consequences, and I think they're not, however abhorrent their crime...unfortunately, but I do agree they shouldn't be untouchable...those that commit terrible crimes should be punished severely and the punishment should be severe enough to be a deterrent to others, but even saying that I realise that's merely wishful thinking...a kid who's determined to commit a crime is probably not going to consider what might happen to him if he's caught...or who does it to become a gang member...he/she is even less likely to consider that possibility...times have changed and not for the better, and the world is undergoing social upheaval so it's not surprising in some respects that our children are reacting to it aggressively in some cases and violently in others...sorry, if this runs contrary to your own views, but a child is still a child when all is said and done and must be treated as such until he/she matures into an adult....

lyndljlyndlj pro
2007-08-29 @ 22:55

Again I both agree and disagree, children learn quicker now than when we were young, can you safely say that an 11 year old does not know right from wrong, but can you safely say that they know the consequences of their actions will mean the ending of someones life?

that's the prob in a nutshell...they do know right from wrong, but I don't think they're adult enough to think through the consequences of their actions...terrible dilemma, and awful for the poor parents if it's their child who's died as a consequence...do however think that above fifteen, they can think more clearly if they actually stop and consider what they're about to do...you do have to presume though that the young potential criminal has the education and background to be able to do this properly, and I think most wouldn't have so what do you do in that case?

STiCKs13STiCKs13 [Member]
2007-08-29 @ 22:26

^ I agree, never thought of that before but it's still the same crime, only difference is age!

I think it should be punishment by nature of the crime and not age, just because they're young doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing, age is just a number in the long run.

STiCKs13STiCKs13 [Member]
2007-08-29 @ 22:27

Sorry, that comment was meant in reply to jelly beanz...

lyndljlyndlj pro
2007-08-29 @ 23:00

I presumed it was,lol.

I have commented on both, maybe you have a different opinion?

STiCKs13STiCKs13 [Member]
2007-08-29 @ 23:04

I think that depending on if they knowingly carried it out and were aware of what they were doing then kids should get the same deal as adults.

Like when adults claim insanity or something similar and get a less harsher punishment, their brain wasn't thinking right, just like when kids don't realise it's a horrible crime.

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2007-08-30 @ 04:42

I think that were everything gets murky is when the accused is hitting the ages of 13, 14 up to 17 years of age for I believe they understand that to kill will end someone's life but they do not believe/understand fully what it means as in dead = gone forever; it is real and not make-believe. They also regret their actions (for the most part) when they are caught and held accountable..in Canada, you would be tried in juvenile court up to and including age 17 BUT the courts can ask to have you tried as an adult when yoou are 16, 17...

A child knows if what he/she is doing is right or wrong. I am not sure that trying them as adults would work though as there are some children that lash out because of their backgrounds. Of course not all of these killers had bad backgrounds, but I think that we have to look into why they committed the crime and make a decision based on that as to whether they are tried as an adult or not. (not making a lot of sense really am I).

Those boys are now living in another country with new names and a new life.

Except they're not, Lyndz.

Not at all.

More than that I won't say.

lyndljlyndlj pro
2007-08-30 @ 22:51

You keep doing that!! 8|

It is what the public were led to believe though is it not?

Actually, no.

It seems to be what the public chose to think - because it was certainly never articulated anywhere, until it became an urban legend.

They were - and one of them remains so - actually quite close to the scene of the crime.

lyndljlyndlj pro
2007-09-11 @ 20:19

Hmm a rumour that was in the papers as that is where I read it. Still we know what these journalists are like ;)

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